Monday, December 12, 2011

From the date of this letter (19th April) you must submit your accounts within 14 days, What is the last day?

that I could have submitted the accounts?





I don't know if I should add this to business or maths :s ... business it is.





I know this sounds like a stupid question, but I submitted in person on 3rd May, which I consider to be within 14 days, they say that within 14 days of 19th of April is 2nd May 2007. So they sent me a fine of 拢100 / $200|||Appeal the fine 鈥?so long as you have the letter and the correct date on it is in fact April 19th.





Add 14 to the date of the letter: April 19 + 14 = April 33. April has only 30 days so that leaves you May 3. (And it is from the date of the letter, not from the day before as would be the wording if you had to count the day of the letter's dating as Day 1 of the count.)





Usually, when multiples of 7 are specified, it means calendar days not "business days" which do not count weekends and legal holidays. This is not a factor here though as you chose May 3rd, not an even later date. Additionally, since you presented in person, there is no consideration about mailing times. But if there had been, the practice in the US is for the mail system's postmark date to be the legal date of submission and government entities are careful to get that right. You sound like you are in the UK, well, yes, given the fine's currency, so perhaps that is no help in finding the accepted practice there.





But the core of the matter is that May 3rd is absolutely the 14th day after April 19th and no question or funny quibble about it. Hopefully you saved the letter this long and were correct in picking the correct date to begin counting to 14. This almost sounds like the quibble of "A through K" vs. "A through K, inclusive."





Even if it is though, I firmly believe any entity issuing such commands and interpreting them in this odd manner would either be used to this interpretation (since it is so obviously correct!) OR be doing it to raise revenue with those fines and have a reputation for such behavior that will stand you in good stead after they deny your appeal of the fine and you escalate to the next higher level.





However, there is a lesson to be learned here and that is this: no matter what, always call upon receiving such letters and have someone there, whose name or identifier you obtain first in the conversation, formally define the actual due date, not just repeat the letter's formula. Ask for a supervisor if necessary. 拢100 is worth a bit of bother...





And finally, press your MP for a change to the government's methodology here: in the US, no government entity would ever bother with such a hazardous formula. They always clearly specify a date. Even if the underlying law specifies a formula, the entity will define the actual due date in any mailing and on its website. It will also indicate, clearly, if it uses the postmark date as the formal submission date. (The submissions that require payments to be enclosed are... spotty... about this. Usual practice is to require it arrive by the due date about 50% of the time.)





Good luck with the appeal. You should win if there is justice as you clearly did not untoward or unreasonable in your calculation of the due date.|||april is composed of 30 days





30-19=11





+ the three days of may. 1rst 2nd and 3rd of may.





You were within your rights.


Send a complaint.|||I agree with you. May 3 is the 14th day from April 19.


Mathematically, it will be the exact same time on May 3 as the letter on April 19. If it's after that time, then more than 14 days have passed.





I once was supposed to go on a cruise which was scheduled for 12 am on the 5th. That's what it said on my ticket. I interpretted that to mean midnight from the 4th going into the 5th. They told me it was actually the 5th going into the 6th. My point is simply that this world is full of stupid people. You just have to deal with it.|||april has 30 days.


19+11=30 days of april gone


you still got 3 days left


so the answer is 3rd may.|||hey..it is the 2nd of may...because when he says from this day, then tat day is also included...sorry bout the fine!!|||May 3rd. The count should start after the first day (Apr 19th), they included it. Incorrect! ~


According to them 19+14=32. Put it to them that way. Any mathematician will tell them they are full of IT.

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